Talk:Balduman's mancala game
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You say there are two simultaneous movements.
You are wrong. You are mixing the rule with the example.
First, both players move simultaneously, rather than alternately as in the case of conventional games. The players select a pocket on their game boards, remove all of the marbles therefrom and then seed the successive pockets with one marble each, including their own goal, moving in clockwise fashion until the supply of picked-up marbles is exhausted. In seeding the marbles, the player does not place a marble in his opponent's goal.
This is just the first lap in a multilap movement. Then:
Play continues to be conducted simultaneously but with succeeding moves being initiated from the pocket in which the player placed his last marble from the proceeding move.
Now he is explaining the multilap movement, and keeps on:
However, if the seeding of the last marble in the proceeding play was that player's own goal, he removes the marbles from his bonus pocket "7" or "7a", as the case may be, places them in his own goal and starts his next move from any pocket he desires on his board.
At no time does a player either remove marbles from or deposit any marbles in his opponent's goal.
Play continues in such simultaneous fashion until a player makes a move wherein the last marble of a seeding is deposited in an empty pocket.
Now, the simultaneous movement has ended. It's the turn of alternate movement:
If this occurs, he stops play and his opponent continues, with as many plays as he can, until he too must terminate a play in an empty pocket. When this happens, the first player resumes play by selecting any pocket he wishes on his own board and continues until he must terminate a play in an empty pocket. The he stops and the second player resumes play by similarly selecting any pocket he wishes on his board and continuing until he again must terminate play in an empty pocket.
For me it is just sunka with a different way of capturing. I suppose he could not patent the rules of a traditional game. BTW, the name looks suspiciously Filipino, to me...
PD. I'm almost sure dakon is also played with simultaneous first movement.I must find de Voogt article about it======
Maybe, I was confused by the example. I thought the statement: On the next play, each player (...) seeds as before (...) but with succeeding moves (...) was a general statement, not related to the example. Agapito could be a Malay first name, perhaps given by his mother who was perhaps Indonesian or rather Filipino, while Balduman is obviously a western name, so his father might have been American. As women play far more often Mancala in this part of Asia, Agapito might have learn Sungka from his mother.
Agapito is a Spanish name. So it looks Filipino, to me...
Do you think it could be Portuguese too? I think of Timor ...
Google says Agapito in spanish, 80 000. In portuguese, 8 000. In english, 40 000. In any language, 160 000.
Agapito + Philippines: 3 640 (Including Philippines Senate President===).===
Agapito + Timor: 675
About Sahara, it says:
The player who has no counters left on his side, wins all remaining counters left on his opponent's side.
When? After his move or when it is again his move?
In the first case it would be really like this Baldumans game, but in the later it's just like Ayo and others.
The English translation in the rules leaflet states:
A player who has emptied all dimples on his side wins also the beans on th opponent's side. So, if you've emptied your side, you've immediately won (though I would prefer the Ayo rule).
Interesting to find this website. I am one of Agapito Balduman's daughters - he was Filipino.